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Pickup vs. The System
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Time Line
What was first? Chicken or egg? Pickup or The System? And what is better? To answer these questions, we have to travel into a past first…
On September 1958, a boy was born. Later, he went famous under the name of Ross Jeffries.
Only three years later, i.e. in 1961, in Fresno State College, we can find today’s DocLove, at that time as Thomas Hodges, as he begins his search for an answer to a question: what motivates a woman to stay with a particular man? For years later, he improves his method with a key question "Why do you stay with one man versus another?" instead of still popular and bad results giving "What do you want from your man?". At that time, he was known as LoveCop.
In 1970, Eric Weber publishes a book named "How to Pickup Girls" [34] that introduces the Pickup" term on the dating scene. There’s no problem to encounter an opinion that this book contains just the common-sense stuff. Even if we make a small trip into the year of 2002, to check newer edition of the book, it is still behind The System that is about to be published yet. An interesting moment came, when Style interviewed Eric [35]. Eric openly declared his goal – the long-term relationship. Pickup was not designed as a tool to get laid primarily, a tool it became over the time.
It took twenty years to finish The System [2], so you can count the years by yourself. We may assume that DocLove read Eric’s book [34], yet there’s no evidence. But for sure, DocLove was aware of Ayn Rand.
In the early 80’, two men appeared on the scene. First of them is R. Don Steel, author of a book for men over 35 on seducing a younger woman. The book was published in 1987 and he was affected by Ayn Rand’s work.
The second man was nobody else but Ross Jeffries with his approach based on NLP. However, I can’t help myself but to state that his successful actions, as they are described in [35], are in accordance with The System, although he perhaps proceeded on behalf of another belief. In late 80’, he founded the pickup community [35] and the discussion group named alt.seduction.fast has been found.
Next, people came onto the scene in a fast pace – Mystery, who discovered alt.seduction.fast while making Mystery Method, Mystery’s student Style, Ross’s disciple DeAngelo and others.
As a next evolvement of Pickup, Real Social Dynamics came to include Pickup, but not to be about seduction only. In The System, there is a clearly written acknowledgment that the knowledge will spill into other areas of your life as well. Yet, DocLove has not come with a catchy name. See, Social Dynamic is a regular, existing scientific discipline that has its deserved credit because of being the true science [36] (prior marking Pickup as a science, please be so kind and follow the link first – especially for this purpose, I chose an on-line available article).
The System [2] designates its author as a smart man – although the style of writing is not a scientific one, the contribution is undeniable. It took him 20 years to finish The System. My time with The Theory of Interest is shorter and that is given by its size and the fact that I come from it, and so I cite him. Note the huge advancement that pickupers done since The System has been completed. The System and Pickup have a lot in common. Is it a coincidence?
Coincidence?
How about starting with the field report? Even the ancient Egyptians kept records about crops and Nile’s water level. A quiz question: What is depicted on wall paintings in the Abu Simbel temple? Just skip the word battle;-)
Moses had not traveled the desert with Israelites, because he was ashamed to take them with him into a city. He wanted them to earn the Promised Land so they would not leave it as soon as they get used to it. Do you see the similarity with a woman that has to earn you by chasing you – the Challenge? And how about the story about Šárka and Ctirad from 7th century that was mentioned in the article about naïve men and feministas? The important information has been known for more than thousand years.
Any man, who ever tried to impress a woman, judged his progress somehow. How about a small quiz?
What is the meaning of IOI, aka Indicator of Interest? The same as the Buying Signal in The System.
FMAC (Find, Meet, Attract, Close) – speaking freely: find her, say hello, rise her interest level and ask for her phone number. Oh, thanks for Mystery. I would never ever figure that out by myself:-O Is that given by my knowledge of finding a critical path in a directed graph with weights, or is that given by a simple fact that it always goes in this sequence? Respectively FMACA – it is expected that you try to increase her interest level after closing.
Staring at a woman you would like to meet, do you consider it as classy? Do you consider it as an effective solution? How about the common sense? Is it better to walk up to her and say hello? There is a 3seconds rule being attributed to Mystery – you have to approach her within three seconds. Who will be the first one to find a similarity with The System [2], where DocLove quoted a fictional Eddie? Or, who will find even older publication? Unless he would be able to figure it on his own...
Staring is rude and it shows her that you are a creep. Smile and walk up to her.
Fast Eddie Love
By the way, have you ever thought why is Eddie called Fast? ;-) What prevents us from considering Mystery’s rule as nothing but an application of Eddie’s rule? Well, in the case that we take the three seconds as a fixed limit. Otherwise, it is obviously the same.
And how about DeAngelo? He propagates his Cocky&Funny method and himself as an author. I’m not quite convinced yet… – he says: have self-confidence and be funny. Is this really his invention? I have some doubts about it. Just by remembering Charlie Chaplin’s Great Dictator movie from ’40, DeAngelo has not invented this. He was not even born and Charlie used it to make a movie. In StarTrek, I could explain this with a time travel, but without…?
Let us stay a little longer with DeAngelo, who speaks about Attraction. It is pretty similar to DocLove’s Interest Level and other ideas we can found in The System [2]. Just replace rapport with her interest level, attraction with your capabilities and consider a motivation of a mercenary and voila. You’ve got, what The System described before DeAngelo, not speaking about the fact that The System has a math model for the interest level – though simple, but it is there.
Two steps forward, one step back. DeAngelo is said to be the author. In a principle, it is the same as Swinggcat’s 101 and Style’s Push/Pull. What a coincidence… And how do we explain a following citation from The System? At Challenge, among others, there is written:
You go in slowly, stop, and back up slowly, and she goes bananas!
Mystery and his Cat (string) theory? Until she has not caught the prey, she continues to play. Aka, her interest level starts to drop, once she is sure of you. Do you know, who described this some years before Mystery? DocLove? Correct – Challenge.
Each of you can read The System and see the Pickup technology to be described in The System that is older than the Pickup community. It is ironic that both, Eric Weber and DocLove, pursue the same goal - a monogamous long term relationship. There are some pickupers, who don’t like DocLove, they label him as AFC and it results into an even greater irony – this so-called AFC formulated their working principles.
The list of referenced literature is available at SomeoneCZ's web, including an expanded version of this article - a little bit more of history, review of selected techniques and the long-term relationship issue. If you are interested, just point your browser at http://someonecz.blogspot.com/2008/04/pickup-vs-system_16.html
Author's Bio
SomeoneCZ is an independent writer on dating that respects the bottom line factor. Especially, when it comes to spotting and keeping Miss Right.
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